YouTube video · UAP Gerb · 23 June 2024
Live with Joey
Gerb's first livestream, with Joey (Joeyisnotmyname), Michael Herrera's investigator, the day after they filmed the in-person Herrera interview. It is mostly a Q&A on Herrera: how the insider first made contact at Greer's June 2023 event, Joey's private check of the helicopter flight and his report that third parties now corroborate the insider, Herrera's AARO session, and team leader Nathan's rebuttal, recorded as commentary with Joey's corrections. It also brings a new anonymous secondhand account of an Army engineer taken to a desert lab around 1953.
On the record
- The AARO session and the HRR vol. 1 dispute are already on the Herrera records; this stream adds Herrera's own words on how the session ran.
Open questions
- Who the corroborating third parties are; Joey keeps that private.
- Whether the 1950s engineer's lab and the Kingman story share a source.
Leads to follow
- The early-1950s engineer: add to leads.md beside Kingman 1953 (anonymous, secondhand); no case.
- The Boeing and Lockheed Disclosure Project witness Gerb is trying to reach.
Timeline
On the recordWitness testimonyAlleged / one person's word
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c. 1953
An Army engineer shown 'strange objects' in a desert labBussed at night and flown in a windowless plane; told 'they're not ours'. Anonymous, secondhand.
1974
Coyame, MexicoGerb asks whether Coyame is the case behind the Sentinels of the Ether references.
Apr 2023
Herrera's AARO sessionKirkpatrick asked one question three times: who were the operators.Sumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craft
Jun 2023
The insider makes contact at Greer's eventHe told Greer 'I know what this is' and later invited Herrera to his site.Steven Greer
Jun 2024
Joey: the insider is corroboratedThird-party corroboration 'from multiple very trusted people'; private evidence.
The claims, checked
Witness testimony (10)
Herrera first gave his testimony at Steven Greer's private three-day event alongside the National Press Club event in June 2023; the insider was there, told Greer 'I know what this is', and after phone tag through Greer invited Herrera to his site.Herrera's account as told on the stream by Joey and Gerb.firsthandSumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craftSteven Greer
Joey identified the exact helicopter that flew Herrera to the insider meeting from evidence he cannot publish, tracked it on public flight data without telling Herrera, then asked Herrera for his take-off time, and everything lined up.How the evidence was obtained would expose the location, so it stays private.analysisJoey (Joeyisnotmyname), Herrera's investigatorSumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craft
Joey showed the full helicopter evidence to several journalists and podcasters, Ross Coulthart among the first, who were able to verify it; Gerb is now fully read in.firsthandJoey (Joeyisnotmyname), Herrera's investigatorRoss CoulthartSumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craft
Joey now has 'third-party corroboration of this insider from multiple very trusted people'.Private evidence, not published.firsthandJoey (Joeyisnotmyname), Herrera's investigatorSumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craftMichael Herrera
At his April 2023 AARO session Sean Kirkpatrick 'sat leaned back with his legs crossed', typed nothing, kept a few handwritten notes and asked essentially one question three times: who were the operators. AARO promised a follow-up and never made one.The session came before the National Press Club event.firsthandSean KirkpatrickAARO
Herrera says AARO's Historical Record Report vol. 1 'completely falsified' his testimony.firsthandAARO Historical Record Report, Volume 1 (March 2024)
Joey's corrections to the critics: Herrera described a daytime mission, not a night one; he never claimed extraterrestrials; and he was issued an M16A4 although he was normally an M249 gunner.analysisJoey (Joeyisnotmyname), Herrera's investigatorSumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craft
Herrera says his father has been threatened and helicopters have circled his workplace.firsthandMichael Herrera
Herrera says Greer over-dramatised his account of the gunpoint stop ('on their knees', guns to the head).firsthandSteven GreerSumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craft
A Disclosure Project witness from Boeing and Lockheed Skunk Works appears unredacted in Greer's witness list; Gerb is trying to reach him and will not publish the name.Gerb also criticises Greer for posting archive material that clients sent under privilege.firsthandSteven GreerLockheed Martin Skunk Works
Alleged / one person's word (6)
Herrera's regular team leader 'Nathan' disputes his account on Vetted, with a photo.Commentary under the what-if rule: Herrera always said the UAP mission drew an ad-hoc team of galley-shift volunteers, not his regular fire team. Joey found Nathan to be who he says he is, not a disinformation agent; the platoon simply disliked Herrera.firsthand'Nathan' (first name only), on VettedSumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craft
One of the five fellow Marines replied by text to Herrera's voicemail; none of the five want to be involved because of NDAs that threatened their lives and jail time.Joey verified who sent the text.anonymousJoey (Joeyisnotmyname), Herrera's investigatorunnamed fellow Marine → Michael Herrera → Joey → told itSumatra, 2009: Michael Herrera's octagonal craft
Around 1953 an Army electrical engineer was woken at night, bussed for hours to an airstrip, flown in a windowless plane to a desert building and shown 'strange objects' in an industrial lab with orders to work out how they worked: 'they're not ours'. Years later he said they were Russian; his listener did not believe it.A vetted PhD professor in Colorado told Gerb about one of his own former professors. Gerb compares it with Stansel's Kingman account.anonymousunnamed Army engineer → unnamed PhD professor → UAP Gerb → told itKingman, Arizona, 1953 crash retrieval
An intelligence-community contact who met Herrera vouched that Jason Sands took part in the UAP Task Force forum, a top-secret collaborative platform open to many IC staff, which explains why Sands said 'UAP Task Force'.anonymousunnamed IC contact → UAP Gerb → told it
Greer's witness TB would lose his whole pension if named, which is why he will not come forward.anonymousTB (Greer witness) → UAP Gerb → told itSteven Greer
Coyame 1974 may be the case behind the Sentinels of the Ether insider's references.Gerb's hypothesis.speculationCoyame, Chihuahua, 1974: the Deneb report crash