YouTube video · UAP Gerb · 2 February 2024
Global Air Force UFO Encounters You've Probably Never Heard of
Gerb runs through four military pilot encounters that he thinks deserve more attention: George Gorman's 1948 dogfight over Fargo, the 1969 Pori sighting in Finland, the 1980 La Joya interception in Peru, and the 2004 Campeche FLIR case. All four are already in the db. He adds a few details the records lack, such as the tower operator's binocular sighting at Fargo and Santa María's description from 100 m, and he sides with the pilots against the flare explanation for Campeche.
On the record
- Gorman's signed certificate of 23 October 1948 is in the Project Sign file.
- The Mexican Air Force released the Campeche FLIR footage itself.
Open questions
- Natural cause proposed, not demonstrated: a lighted balloon for Fargo and oil-platform flares for Campeche.
- Where does Gerb's 3,218 m/s figure for Pori come from?
Leads to follow
- Read the Fargo tower interrogation reports for L.D. Jensen's statement.
- Find the Geiger survey in the Sign file.
Timeline
On the recordWitness testimonyAlleged / one person's word
1 Oct 1948
Gorman's dogfight over FargoA ball of light outturns and outclimbs a P-51 for about 20 minutes.
Oct 1948
Project Sign checks the P-51 for radiationFound more radioactive than other fighters, later put down to altitude.Twining memo and Project Sign
12 Apr 1969
Pori: seven yellow objects outrun a FougaSecond pilot confirms; Vaasa, 200 km away, reports them.
11 Apr 1980
La Joya: 64 rounds of 30 mm without effectSanta María closes to about 100 m and sees a domed craft with no wings.
The claims, checked
On the record (4)
'I am convinced that there was definite thought behind its maneuvers.'Signed certificate, 23 Oct 1948 (Project Sign file).firsthandGeorge F. GormanThe Gorman "dogfight" over Fargo
All Project Sign reports had to go to the Army and Navy Research and Development Board, the USAF Scientific Advisory Board and the Atomic Energy Commission.firsthandProject Sign distribution (cited by UAP Gerb)Twining memo and Project Sign
Base personnel also saw the object, and a DoD document corroborates that he fired on it without effect.Gerb found the case in a DoD briefing; the message itself is not read in the db.firsthandUS DoD message (cited by UAP Gerb)Peru's OIFAA and the La Joya interception
A Mexican Air Force crew filmed 11 objects on FLIR over Campeche on 5 Mar 2004; only three showed on radar.firsthandMexican Air Force (SEDENA release)Campeche: the Mexican Air Force FLIR lights
Witness testimony (7)
2nd Lt. George Gorman chased a small blinking ball of light over Fargo for about 20 minutes on 1 October 1948; it outturned and outclimbed his P-51.Sworn certificate of 23 Oct 1948, read in the video.firsthandGeorge F. GormanThe Gorman "dogfight" over Fargo
The Hector Airport tower operator, L.D. Jensen, watched the object pass overhead through binoculars.Gerb's retelling of the Sign file; the interrogation reports are not read in the db.secondhandL.D. Jensen → Project Sign interrogation → UAP Gerb → told itThe Gorman "dogfight" over Fargo
Project Sign found Gorman's P-51 measurably more radioactive than other fighters and first considered that it had flown near an 'atomic powered object'.Ruppelt's account of the file; the radiation was later put down to less shielding at altitude, a cause proposed, not demonstrated.secondhandProject Sign file → Edward Ruppelt → UAP Gerb → told itThe Gorman "dogfight" over FargoTwining memo and Project Sign
Pori, 12 Apr 1969, is the only UFO observation the Finnish Air Force acknowledges; seven pale-yellow round objects accelerated away from a Fouga Magister against a 180 km/h headwind.Gerb's names are garbled in the captions; the db record gives Tukeva and Jouko Kuronen.firsthandTarmo Tukeva (trainee pilot)Pori: seven yellow 'balloons' outrun a jet
Lt. Óscar Santa María Huertas fired a burst of 64 rounds of 30 mm at the object over La Joya with no effect.Other counts: about 60 (Epoch Times) and more than 80 (OIFAA).firsthandÓscar Santa María Huertas (as quoted by UAP Gerb)Peru's OIFAA and the La Joya interception
Closing to about 100 m, he saw a craft about 10 m across with a cream dome 'like a light bulb cut in half' on a wide silver metal base, with no wings, jets, exhaust, windows or antennas.firsthandÓscar Santa María Huertas (as quoted by UAP Gerb)Peru's OIFAA and the La Joya interception
'I believe they could feel we were pursuing them.'Press quote played by Gerb.firsthandMaj. Magdaleno CastañónCampeche: the Mexican Air Force FLIR lights
Alleged / one person's word (4)
Sign later offered a lighted weather balloon or Jupiter for Gorman's light.Natural cause proposed, not demonstrated.analysisThe Gorman "dogfight" over Fargo
Radar at Vaasa, 200 km away, picked up the seven objects soon after, implying about 3,218 m/s.Gerb's figure; the db source (Yle 2009) says only 'seen or picked up near Vaasa'. No radar log released.secondhandunstated source → UAP Gerb → told itPori: seven yellow 'balloons' outrun a jet
The Campeche lights were burn-off flares on offshore oil platforms.Natural cause proposed, not demonstrated. Gerb sides with the pilots but rates this the most likely of the four to be prosaic.analysisMichael Shermer and othersCampeche: the Mexican Air Force FLIR lights
Gorman and La Joya are the most compelling of the four, with the most sensor and witness data.Gerb's ranking.speculationThe Gorman "dogfight" over FargoPeru's OIFAA and the La Joya interception