YouTube video · UAP Gerb · 8 April 2024
Dr. Robert Sarbacher & the US Government's Secret UFO Crash Retrieval Group
Gerb's case for Robert Sarbacher as Wilbert Smith's 1950 Washington source, followed through Smith's memo and meeting notes, Sarbacher's 1983 letter to William Steinman, Stanton Friedman's 1983 call, Eric Walker's interviews of 1987 and 1990, and the Hottel memo. Most of this is already in the db. New detail: Sarbacher's son says his father built camera-carrying missiles to track UFOs; the Project Twinkle V-2 sighting and MSgt Lloyd Camp's account; and Walker's "windmills" and Kecksburg quotes.
On the record
- Smith's memo of 21 Nov 1950 and his meeting notes.
- Sarbacher's letter to Steinman, Nov 1983.
- The Hottel memo of 22 Mar 1950.
Open questions
- Where is the full Camp report, and does the Twinkle V-2 sighting match it?
Leads to follow
- Lead, not a record yet: case/white-sands-v2-camp (Project Twinkle p. 33 and Camp's report).
- Pointer from document/hottel-memo-1950 to the Wright Field meeting Sarbacher described.
Timeline
On the recordWitness testimonyAlleged / one person's word
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31 Aug 1950
Discs circle a V-2 at White SandsProject Twinkle lists a sighting after a V-2 launch; MSgt Lloyd Camp's account.
Nov 1983
Sarbacher's letter to SteinmanBush, von Neumann and probably Oppenheimer; light, tough materials.
1990
Walker to AzadehdelMJ-12 real, papers likely forged; Kecksburg.Kecksburg, Pennsylvania: the fireball and the woods search
The claims, checked
On the record (2)
Scully's Behind the Flying Saucers is "substantially correct" and a small group under Vannevar Bush leads the work.Notes found by Arthur Bray.firsthandWilbert Smith's meeting notes (Sarbacher speaking)Wilbert Smith's Top Secret memo (21 November 1950)Vannevar BushFrank Scully
Flying saucers are "the most highly classified subject in the United States government, rating higher even than the H-bomb".Smith reporting what Sarbacher told him.secondhandWilbert Smith memo, 21 Nov 1950Robert Sarbacher → Wilbert Smith → told itWilbert Smith's Top Secret memo (21 November 1950)
Witness testimony (7)
He was not at the recoveries but was invited to R&D board discussions; Bush, von Neumann and probably Oppenheimer were involved.Letter to William Steinman, Nov 1983.firsthandRobert Sarbacher
The materials were "extremely light and very tough" and the occupants were "constructed like certain insects".Reports he heard at the meetings.secondhandmeeting participants → Robert Sarbacher → told itRobert Sarbacher
At a Wright Field meeting he heard "they didn't have any skin", and a smug man from Philadelphia was there, later identified as Eric Walker.Call with Stanton Friedman, 1983.firsthandEric A. Walker
His father built camera-carrying missiles to track UFOs, "like on the V-2 rockets".secondhandRobert Sarbacher Jr (to D.M. Duncan)Robert Sarbacher → Robert Sarbacher Jr → D.M. Duncan → told itRobert Sarbacher
He attended a 1949-50 Wright-Patterson meeting on crash and body retrievals: "Yes, I know of MJ-12. I have known of them for 40 years."Recorded call with William Steinman, 1987.firsthandEric A. WalkerMajestic 12
"You are chasing after and fighting with windmills."To Steinman, 1987 (16:01).firsthandEric A. Walker
MJ-12 exists but the documents are likely forgeries; ESP was needed; Bush was involved; on Kecksburg, "we went there with two from the military but not on duty".Calls with Henry Azadehdel, 1990.firsthandEric A. WalkerKecksburg, Pennsylvania: the fireball and the woods searchMajestic 12
Alleged / one person's word (3)
Project Twinkle lists a sighting after a V-2 launch on 31 Aug 1950; MSgt Lloyd Eugene Camp, a White Sands radar operator, saw two silver discs circle a V-2 visually and on radar.The Camp report is torn; to verify.secondhandProject Twinkle report (p. 33) and Camp's daughterLloyd Eugene Camp → his daughter → UAP Gerb → told itThe White Sands lure and the shoot-down question
Three saucers about 50 ft across were recovered in New Mexico with 3-ft occupants in metallic suits; radar interference was blamed.The memo is on the record; its source is an unnamed informant.secondhandHottel memo to the FBI director, 22 Mar 1950unnamed informant → Guy Hottel → told itThe Guy Hottel memo (FBI, 22 March 1950)
Sarbacher is the key to the Bush group, and Walker's evasive calls are confirmations.analysisRobert SarbacherEric A. Walker