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YouTube video · UAP Gerb · 23 October 2026

NASIC: Air Force UFO Crash Retrieval & Reverse Engineering

Episode thumbnail: UAP Gerb on NASIC and the Blue Room. · UAP Gerb (YouTube), reproduced for identification

Gerb argues that NASIC at Wright-Patterson is the Air Force legacy program's administrative node. He builds it from the unit's documented lineage and foreign-materiel squadron, Grusch's remarks about a NASIC analyst's 'night job', old Wright-Patterson testimony, and the Blue Room FOIA trail that ends with NASIC named as office of record. His Immaculate Constellation and geospatial-squadron links are his own reasoning.

Timeline

On the recordWitness testimonyAlleged / one person's word
1917
Foreign Data Section at McCook FieldStart of the lineage that becomes NASIC in 2003
Jul 1947
Twining White Sands reportAuthenticity unproven (Cooper document set)
1951
ATIC formed; Blue BookAir Technical Intelligence Center at Wright-PattersonProject Blue Book
1953
Kingman: Wang and DollStancil names Eric Wang (WADC) and Ed Doll
1962
'PJ' sees a saucer in a hangarGerb: Rear Adm. Paul S. Johnson Jr.
1965
'Blue Room' film destroyedPer the 1991 FOIA reply
1966-68
Cohake sees bodies under glassTo Stringfield; single witness
2003
NASIC formedNAIC renamed
2017
New FME facility opensHaynes Hall, $29.5M

The claims, checked

On the record (3)

NASIC's Foreign Materiel Exploitation Squadron has 87 members from more than 10 specialties, mostly 'one-deep' positions.NASIC, 'Acquire, Assess, Exploit'.firsthandNASICNational Air and Space Intelligence Center
NASIC descends from the 1917 Foreign Data Section through T-2, ATIC (Blue Book) and FTD.Official lineage.analysisNational Air and Space Intelligence Center
Air Force FOIA replies trace a 1955 film titled 'Blue Room', destroyed in 1965, and name NASIC as office of record in 2012.Moore, Parks and Bragalia letters.firsthandAir Force FOIA officesThe Blue Room FOIA trail (1980-2012)

Witness testimony (6)

Legacy work is done as the 'night job' of a NASIC analyst who also works for the legacy program.Grusch at the 2026 Space Symposium.firsthandNational Air and Space Intelligence Center
Matthew Sullivan, Grusch's source, worked at NASIC and died before a planned protected disclosure.Grusch and Rep. Luna; obituary confirms the career.secondhandMatthew Sullivan → David Grusch → told itMatthew James Sullivan
Lacatski confirmed to Coulthart that the US holds a craft of unknown origin and that he accessed its interior.Coulthart interview.firsthandJames Lacatski
A naval aviator saw a seamless saucer on engine stands in a Wright-Patterson hangar in 1962 or 1963.'PJ' to Stringfield; Gerb identifies Rear Adm. Paul S. Johnson Jr.firsthand'PJ'case/wright-patterson-hangar-1962
Jerry Cohake saw nine frozen 4-ft bodies under glass at Wright-Patterson in 1966-68 and was told 30 were held there.To Stringfield; single witness.firsthandJerry Cohake, via Leonard StringfieldWright-Patterson AFB & 'Hangar 18'
A TRW vice-president ran security for a crash-retrieval program at an Air Force facility holding about six intact craft recovered overseas.Eric Davis on Mary Elizabeth Elliott.secondhandMary Elizabeth Elliott → Eric Davis → told itTRW Inc.

Alleged / one person's word (4)

Sullivan was in NASIC's geospatial squadron and handled recovered craft.Gerb's sources and reasoning.anonymousunnamed insiders → UAP Gerb → told it
NASIC's geospatial squadron and the embedded NGA team feed Immaculate Constellation.Gerb's reasoning.speculationImmaculate Constellation
A 1947 Twining report describes a recovered disc at White Sands.Cooper document set; authenticity unproven.anonymousLeonard Stringfieldunnamed source → Stringfield → told itTwining 'White Sands' flying-saucer report (10 July 1947)
Recovered hardware passes from NASIC technical intelligence to Air Force test and evaluation for exploitation.Gerb's model (AFI 99-series).speculation

Sources

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