Podcast episode · Keeping It Real with Jillian Michaels · January 2026
Luis Elizondo: 'the deepest secret in human history'
Jillian Michaels' first long interview with Luis Elizondo, recorded in January 2026, introduces the subject to a lay audience: the physics, the motive, religion and stigma. The new items are his: Lockheed told his colleagues it wanted to hand its material back; industry lobbying stripped the UAP Disclosure Act provisions that would have forced contractors to give it up; the theory current at the Pentagon that atomic-test EMP knocked down the Roswell craft; and a member of Congress who saw an object rise out of a lake. He also comments on a same-morning Daily Mail video of a triangle near Area 51.
Overview
- Elizondo, firsthand: the threats ('administrative terrorism', a colleague's house entered), the crash-retrieval gag and Imminent's redactions, industry lobbying against the UAPDA, Pentagon-funded Drake and wormhole studies, the ridicule campaign.
- What he was told: Lockheed's wish to hand back material (to his colleagues, via Jim Ryder's team); the AATIP/OSAP scientists' EMP theory of Roswell; a congressman's lake object.
- Commentary: the Daily Mail Area 51 triangle video.
Leads to follow
- The exact air date of the episode (YouTube was not checked from the cloud).
- The Daily Mail story on the Area 51 triangle video (January 2026).
- What Elizondo submitted to Congress about Lockheed's offer to return material.
- The member of Congress who saw an object leave a lake.
Timeline
On the recordWitness testimonyAlleged / one person's word
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1950s on
A ridicule campaignMocking witnesses to keep the research free
After 2017
'Administrative terrorism'Clearance attacks; drones over a colleague's house
Date not given
Lockheed wants to give it back'We don't want this material anymore'Kona Blue (DHS prospective SAP, 2011)
Told Jan 2026; date not given
A congressman's lake objectRose from the water, hovered, left fast
The claims, checked
Witness testimony (5)
Industry lobbied the members of Congress it donates to and killed the UAP Disclosure Act provisions that would have forced contractors to hand over the material.Agreeing with Michaels' summary of the documentary. [1:01:54]firsthandLuis ElizondoThe UAP Disclosure ActLuis Elizondo: 'the deepest secret in human history'
Elements of the government first used 'administrative terrorism' against his clearance, then intimidation: one colleague had drones flown over his house and then a forced entry. He keeps five German shepherds and is heavily armed.[44:04-45:20]firsthandLuis ElizondoLuis Elizondo: 'the deepest secret in human history'
He was told very specifically that he can never talk about crash retrievals; Pentagon review redacted Imminent and he left the redactions visible.[47:01-47:25]firsthandLuis ElizondoElizondo's book: ImminentLuis Elizondo: 'the deepest secret in human history'
The Pentagon paid for a study reconsidering the Drake equation and for studies of wormholes at renowned institutions.The AAWSAP DIRDs. [7:21, 11:15]firsthandLuis ElizondoAAWSAP and AATIP: the secret Pentagon studyLuis Elizondo: 'the deepest secret in human history'
The government spent a lot of money ridiculing the topic so it would have latitude to research it.[1:06:11, 1:08:56]firsthandLuis ElizondoLuis Elizondo: 'the deepest secret in human history'
Alleged / one person's word (4)
Lockheed Martin told colleagues of his directly ('Jim Ryder and his big guys') that 'we don't want this material anymore': it had become a liability, expensive to keep, and they had gone as far as they could. He submitted this to Congress for the record.Compare the Lockheed divestment plan in the 2024 hearing packet and Kona Blue. [56:38-58:09]secondhandLockheed Martin (Jim Ryder's team) → Elizondo's colleagues → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoLockheed Martin Skunk WorksJim RyderKona Blue (DHS prospective SAP, 2011)Luis Elizondo: 'the deepest secret in human history'
AATIP and OSAP scientists thought some crashes were 'dumb luck': the craft's bubble is very susceptible to EMP, 'like a needle to a balloon', and the speculation was that the original Roswell crash came from atomic testing knocking down UAP that were watching it.'As it was explained to me.' [25:41-26:45]secondhandAATIP and OSAP scientists → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoRoswell: the Army's 'flying disc'Luis Elizondo: 'the deepest secret in human history'
A Daily Mail video that morning showed a triangular craft near Area 51 filmed by a hiker who heard call signs used to obscure it; it was not a B-2 or a Valkyrie, and members of Congress would not be briefed on it.His commentary on a news item. [52:40-53:10]firsthandLuis ElizondoArea 51 and S-4Luis Elizondo: 'the deepest secret in human history'
A member of Congress told him that while fishing with his son on a lake, an object came out of the middle of the lake, hovered for a minute and left 'like a bat out of hell'.He won't say who. [1:23:07]anonymousmember of Congress (unnamed) → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoLuis Elizondo: 'the deepest secret in human history'