Organization
Kona Blue (DHS prospective SAP, 2011)
- On the record: a real 2011 DHS prospective SAP from AAWSAP people, killed after about six months; AARO says it never received material or money.
- The claim: UAP Gerb says it was the vehicle for Lockheed's Jim Ryder to pass craft material to AAWSAP, blocked by the CIA. That fits Stratton's memoir and Knapp's version, but the documents don't name Lockheed.
Kona Blue was a 2011 Department of Homeland Security proposal for a special access program, pushed by former AAWSAP people after DIA ended that program. DHS's science chief approved it as a prospective program and the Deputy Secretary killed it six months later. Interviewees told AARO it was meant to protect the retrieval and exploitation of 'non-human biologics'; AARO says nothing was ever transferred. Researcher UAP Gerb says it was built as the vehicle for Lockheed's Jim Ryder to hand UFO material to AAWSAP, and that the CIA stopped it.
Claims (10)
Set up in 2011 as a prospective special access program by DHS's Under Secretary for Science and Technology, proposed by people involved with AAWSAP/AATIP after DIA dropped that program; the Deputy Secretary disapproved it about six months later, citing weak justification and doubts about personnel and budget figures.AARO Historical Record Report, Volume 1 (March 2024)firsthandOn the recordDoD/DHS declassified release (April 2024); AARO historical report Vol. 1 (March 2024)
Interviewees told AARO it was meant to protect retrieval and exploitation of 'non-human biologics'.AARO Historical Record Report, Volume 1 (March 2024)secondhandOn the recordAARO historical report Vol. 1 (2024)
'No data or material of any kind was ever transferred to or collected by DHS under the auspices of KONA BLUE.'firsthandOn the recordAARO (2024)
It was a technology-transfer vehicle for Lockheed Martin Space Systems VP Jim Ryder to pass specific UFO materials to OSAP; using DHS kept it outside the legacy structure. A Lockheed senior VP relayed the transfer to the CIA's Director of Science and Technology and the agency stopped it. The released documents name no company.Inside 'Kona Blue', the alleged Lockheed-to-DHS UFO transfer (UAP Gerb)secondhandSourced, unconfirmedUAP Gerb (Sam)
The Lockheed program was materials and metallurgy only; a 'three-letter agency' handed out pieces, not whole craft; engineers weren't told the origin, and little progress had been made by Ryder's death in 2018.80 Years of UFO Crash Retrieval and Reverse Engineering: A TimelinesecondhandSourced, unconfirmedEric W. Davis
DHS security people went looking for the gatekeepers and found them, but couldn't get access because it was still a prospective SAP.80 Years of UFO Crash Retrieval and Reverse Engineering: A TimelinefirsthandSourced, unconfirmedHal Puthoff
Puthoff gave a 'cheeky look' when asked whether the material was Kingman wreckage.80 Years of UFO Crash Retrieval and Reverse Engineering: A TimelineanonymousLeadUAP Gerb (Sam)
Glenn Gaffney and Mary Sturtevant killed the prospective SAP; Lockheed then 'obediently' stood down, unlike Northrop; it was killed because it faced a contractor rather than an FFRDC.speculationLeadUAP Gerb (Sam)
DHS was kept out of Kona Blue because the circle did not want 'new blood'.UFO File Drop 1, Manhattan Project 2.0, Greer NPC, Highlighting Gatekeepers & QnA - UAP Gerb LiveanonymousLeadRob Jones (co-host)
Ryder negotiated a transfer of UFO crash material from Lockheed to Robert Bigelow over a long period, with visits both ways (to Skunk Works and to Las Vegas); 'the deal was all set until the CIA found out about it and killed it'.Jim RyderRobert BigelowLockheed Martin Skunk WorksCentral Intelligence AgencyKona Blue (DHS prospective SAP, 2011)Lockheed's 12 craftAsk George: the Jellyfish under water, the Lockheed-Bigelow deal and why the secret is keptsecondhandLeadGeorge Knapp
Cases (4)
- 1953Kingman, Arizona, 1953 crash retrieval
- 2004The 2004 'blue on blue': JSOC against a Lockheed recovery team
- 2008AAWSAP and AATIP: the secret Pentagon study
- 2009The Lockheed craft offered to AAWSAP
Connected
Central Intelligence Agency orgLockheed Martin Skunk Works orgPeraton (Veritas Capital) orgSandia National Laboratories orgEric W. Davis personGlenn Gaffney personHal Puthoff personJames Lacatski personJim Ryder personMary Sturtevant personRobert Bigelow personRobert Cardillo personUAP Gerb (Sam) person
Sources
- The Black Vault: DoD releases Kona Blue documents
- Kona Blue release 1 (DoD/DHS, 57 pp., PDF)
- Reality Check: Inside 'Kona Blue', the alleged Lockheed-to-DHS UFO transfer
- UAP Gerb: 80 Years of UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering: a timeline
- UAP Gerb: Northrop Grumman & TRW, Vol. 2
- UAP Gerb, 'UFO File Drop 1, Manhattan Project 2.0, Greer NPC, Highlighting Gatekeepers & QnA - UAP Gerb Live' (YouTube, 12 May 2026)
- Mystery Wire, 'Mail bag: UFO questions and government secrets' (Ask George), 25 Oct 2026 (YouTube)
Mentioned on (12)
- Keeping It Real with Jillian Michaels: Luis Elizondo: 'the deepest secret in human history'
- Mystery Wire: Ask George: the Jellyfish under water, the Lockheed-Bigelow deal and why the secret is kept
- Reality Check: Inside 'Kona Blue', the alleged Lockheed-to-DHS UFO transfer (UAP Gerb)
- UAP Gerb: 80 Years of UFO Crash Retrieval and Reverse Engineering: A Timeline
- UAP Gerb: 9/1/24 Discussing WD Memo, 2004 JSOC Case and Q&A
- UAP Gerb: Sept 2025 House Oversight Committee UFO Hearings Recap
- UAP Gerb: Discussing Lockheed Martin Project + "Sub Rosa: Organized Secrecy" Ft. Guests Rob Jones & Kermit
- UAP Gerb: UFO File Drop 1, Manhattan Project 2.0, Greer NPC, Highlighting Gatekeepers & QnA - UAP Gerb Live
- UAP Gerb: Lockheed Martin - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
- UAP Gerb: UFO Legacy Programs - Northrop Grumman
- UAP Gerb: Northrop Grumman & TRW - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs [Vol.2]
- UAP Gerb: Sandia National Laboratories - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs