Podcast episode · Keeping It Real with Jillian Michaels · May 2026
Luis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
Jillian Michaels' second interview with Luis Elizondo, recorded about May 2026, soon after the first PURSUE release and with the FBI inquiry into missing scientists under way; Ross Coulthart later quoted it. Michaels plays Tim Burchett's Newsmax clip, which includes Matt Gaetz on hybrid breeding programs. Elizondo answers that what Gaetz describes is known as 'MILABs', a long-standing agreement since the 1950s that gives non-human intelligence access to human specimens: he heard of it at the Pentagon but was not privy to the specifics. He adds his own 2018 dinner with Amy Eskridge, the threat he and David Grusch received at the Space Force, his near-fatal motorcycle crash, his recruitment into the tail of Stargate, two abduction-type accounts from people he knows, and a 2004 White House week on disclosure.
Overview
- Elizondo, firsthand: the Eskridge dinner and the promised anti-gravity demo; the Space Force threat with Grusch; the FBI full-field inquiry; the motorcycle crash; recruitment by Eugene Lessmann; AATIP unbriefed to the president and SecDef; a Havana syndrome colleague.
- What he was told: the MILAB agreement and officers who saw military personnel around UAP; fighters escorting UAP; the Air Force cop's phone telemetry; the CIA couple and the sneezed chip; the 2004 White House week and the RAND study; Stubblebine and the 'demonic' pushback.
- His speculation, flagged: a shadow government since the late 1940s; some scientists' deaths not natural; remote viewing never really ended; crossbreeding is scientifically feasible.
Leads to follow
- The 2004 White House disclosure week: who attended?
- The RAND study of the effects of disclosure.
- The Havana syndrome death in 2025 (the first-cohort embassy officer).
- The senior CIA officer who 'has already come out a little bit'.
- The Army SOP handbook on remote viewing Elizondo says is declassified.
- The exact air date (Coulthart says May 2026).
Timeline
On the recordWitness testimonyAlleged / one person's word
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1950s on
The MILAB agreementCooperation for 'access to certain human specimens'
Late 1940s-50s
A shadow governmentHe agrees with Greer; outside Gang of Eight oversight
2018
Dinner with Amy EskridgeHuntsville; an anti-gravity demo promised
Date not given
Phone 60 ft above the houseA retired nuclear-site security policeman
About Mar 2026
Motorcycle crash32-35 skull fractures; no foul play claimed
2026
Burchett on NewsmaxPlays Gaetz's hybrid-breeding clip
2026
FBI full-field inquiryInto the missing and dead scientists
The claims, checked
Witness testimony (8)
Burchett is right about what Congress has been told; some of the people who briefed those members were colleagues of his.[6:33-6:47]firsthandLuis ElizondoTim BurchettLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
In 2018 he had dinner in Huntsville with Amy Eskridge, her father and a group that included AATIP members; they said they had built an anti-gravity device and could demonstrate it, and he was due to see a demonstration the following month. She said she feared for her safety and was being harassed.'2018, I believe'; he says he cannot speak to her mental health. [26:13-27:01, 34:47]firsthandLuis ElizondoAmy Catherine EskridgeLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
Last year the first Havana syndrome fatality died, an intelligence officer from the first embassy cohort; a former Pentagon colleague of his is a government-labelled Havana syndrome patient.[31:45-32:19]firsthandLuis ElizondoHurt by UAP: the medical filesLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
As Stargate was ending he was recruited in the Army by Eugene Lessmann, one of its best remote viewers; Congress pulled the funding and he became an operations officer, but he was there long enough to know the program was real. An Army SOP handbook on remote viewing exists.[55:51-56:26]firsthandLuis ElizondoStargate is shut downLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
When he was at AATIP, neither the president nor the then Secretary of Defense was briefed; only a few members of Congress were.[1:04:38-1:04:55]firsthandLuis ElizondoAAWSAP and AATIP: the secret Pentagon studyLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
Years ago he was warned to be careful what he says; some of the people he worked with or knew are now missing or dead, and there is an ongoing FBI full-field investigation.[2:32-2:55]firsthandLuis ElizondoLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
While he and David Grusch worked together at the US Space Force after he left the Pentagon, both were 'threatened very, very specifically to shut our mouths, otherwise we would have our mouths shut for us'.Year not given. [1:20:44]firsthandLuis ElizondoDavid GruschA committee of 27 and a threat to killLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
About two months before the interview he survived a near-fatal motorcycle crash: flown to shock trauma, a punctured lung, spleen removed, a traumatic brain injury with 32 or 35 skull fractures, and a detached retina.He does not claim foul play. [1:58-2:18]firsthandLuis ElizondoLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
Alleged / one person's word (14)
What Gaetz describes is what the UFO community calls 'MILABs': a long-standing agreement under which we work cooperatively with 'our friends from out of town', and in exchange they 'would have access to certain human specimens biologically in order to test'. If true, it began 'sometime in the 1950s' and has continued.'I heard about that while I was at the Pentagon. I was not privy to the specifics.' [7:24-8:13]anonymousunnamed Pentagon sources → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
Several former Air Force and other intelligence officers swear by the arrangement; they say they saw UAP with military personnel around the vehicles, 'very nonchalant, as if it was supposed to be'.[8:13-8:38]anonymousformer Air Force and intelligence officers (unnamed) → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
There are cases in which UAP were apparently escorted by American and allied fighter jets, suggesting cooperation.'I can't tell you for certain because I wasn't privy to that.' [9:11]anonymousunnamed military sources → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
Military and intelligence officials who 'have never lied to me' have told him about hybridization, but he has no firsthand knowledge of it or of forced hybridization.[10:53-11:01]anonymousmilitary and intelligence officials (unnamed) → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
Information Burchett, Luna and Burlison have had access to shows the US may have been 'a little bit more complicit' than stated.[11:48-11:57]secondhandmembers of Congress → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoTim BurchettAnna Paulina LunaEric BurlisonLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
Stargate 'absolutely worked' by the Pentagon's data; members of Congress privately told Gen. Stubblebine it was 'demonic', and remote viewers found the coordinates of a crashed Russian supersonic test aircraft in Africa that satellites could not locate.Explained to him by founders of the program. [54:05-55:05]secondhandStargate founders → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoStargate is shut downLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
Puthoff's team once made $2 million on the stock market in a month with remote viewing before it backfired.'That's not my story to tell.' [58:59, 1:00:21]secondhandHal Puthoff (implied) → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoHal PuthoffStargate is shut downLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
'You don't ever get rid of something because it works. You might get rid of something publicly.'A hint that remote viewing continued. [58:01]speculationLuis ElizondoStargate is shut downLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
Greer is right that a shadow government has existed since the late 1940s or early 1950s: a cooperation between elements inside and outside the government, making decisions it had no authority to make.[1:06:48-1:07:31]speculationLuis ElizondoSteven GreerLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
Some of the scientists' deaths were probably natural, 'but I also know that some of them may not be'.[1:20:36]speculationLuis ElizondoLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
A former Air Force security policeman who guarded a nuclear missile site and had UAP experiences in service later had night episodes around 3:33 am ('a silver room'). One night his wife found him gone, then back in bed; his iPhone telemetry, analysed through the carrier, shows the phone by the bed until 3:30, then 60 ft above the house for six or eight minutes with no transit, then back.He has the carrier data and his wife confirms; Elizondo allows the phone may have malfunctioned. [1:22:47-1:25:07]anonymousretired Air Force security policeman and his wife (unnamed) → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
A very senior CIA officer, a friend of his, and his wife, a CIA psychologist, panicked one night in their Virginia home and woke lying on their back lawn. Agency doctors found a puncture in the back of his neck, and when she sneezed a metal chip that looked technological came out. 'There's people at the agency that are witting.'He won't name the officer, who 'has already come out a little bit'. [1:25:15-1:26:27]anonymoussenior CIA officer and his wife (unnamed) → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoCentral Intelligence AgencyLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
In 2004 the White House sponsored a week-long meeting of top scientists on whether to disclose; they 'unanimously decided' the public was not ready. Participants can tell it themselves.'This is well before my time.' [1:35:50-1:36:45]secondhandmeeting participants (unnamed) → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoThe 2004-07 study on the effects of disclosureLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate
Think tanks such as the RAND Corporation studied what disclosure would do and said 'you absolutely cannot do this' because of fear and panic.[1:35:26]secondhandunnamed → Luis Elizondo → told itLuis ElizondoRAND CorporationThe 2004-07 study on the effects of disclosureLuis Elizondo on MILABs, the missing scientists and Stargate