YouTube video · UAP Gerb · c. autumn 2025
Sandia National Laboratories - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs
UAP Gerb traces Sandia from Los Alamos's Z Division in 1945 through AT&T, Lockheed Martin and Honeywell management, and sets out the Department of Energy apparatus around it: NEST, the Office of Secure Transportation, Special Response Teams and the Nevada test sites. Against that record he places Andrew Kissner's statement that 1947 discs were analysed at Sandia under Vannevar Bush and that a 1948 executive order gave the AEC labs custody. In Gerb's own reasoning, federally funded research centres rather than contractors hold the material, and the nuclear agency handles crash logistics inside the US.
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12 July 1945
Z Division picks Sandia BaseLos Alamos's Z Division chooses the site that becomes Sandia.Los Alamos National Laboratory
1947
Discs analysed at SandiaKissner says 1947 discs were studied by Z Division and AFSWP at Sandia under Bush.Roswell: the Army's 'flying disc'
1948
Executive order on custodyKissner says a 1948 order vested custody of the discs in the AEC labs.
1950
El Indio-Guerrero materialThe disputed Eisenhower Briefing Document says the 1950 material went to Sandia.Majestic 12
1993
Martin Marietta / Lockheed Martin take over SandiaOperator until 2017, then NTESS (Honeywell).Lockheed Martin Skunk Works
2001
Area 6 Aerial Operations FacilityUAV and sensor work at Yucca Flat run by Lockheed Martin.Lockheed Martin Skunk Works
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On the record (6)
Sandia grew from Los Alamos's Z Division, was run by Western Electric from 1949, by Martin Marietta and Lockheed Martin from 1993 to 2017, and by Honeywell's NTESS since.Sandia's official history.analysisSandia National LaboratoriesLockheed Martin Skunk Works
DTRA descends directly from the Armed Forces Special Weapons Project of 1947.AFSWP, DASA, DNA, DSWA, DTRA lineage.analysisDefense Threat Reduction Agency
The DOE's Office of Secure Transportation, NEST and Special Response Teams move and guard special nuclear material.DOE orders and agency histories.analysisNational Nuclear Security Administration (NEST, OST, SRT)
Area 6 at Yucca Flat hosts UAV and sensor work for the services, DARPA and DTRA, with an aerial operations facility run by Lockheed Martin since 2001.NNSA spokesman, 2016.analysisNational Nuclear Security Administration (NEST, OST, SRT)Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)Lockheed Martin Skunk Works
Outgoing Roswell base messages from 1947 were destroyed without proper authority.GAO report for Rep. Schiff, 28 July 1995.analysisRoswell: the Army's 'flying disc'GAO report on the Roswell records search (GAO/NSIAD-95-187)
There were 42 federally funded research centres receiving $15.4 billion in FY2020.NSF FFRDC data.analysis
Witness testimony (6)
Discs recovered in 1947 were analysed under Vannevar Bush by Los Alamos's Z Division and AFSWP at Sandia Base.Kissner's 1994 statement, presented by Linda Moulton Howe; Gerb confirmed it with Kissner.secondhandunnamed programme participants → Andrew Kissner → told itJ. Andrew Kissner's statement on the 1947 recoveries (1994)Sandia National LaboratoriesVannevar Bush
A 1948 executive order vested custody of the recovered discs in the AEC laboratories.Kissner's statement; the order itself has not been found.secondhandunnamed programme participants → Andrew Kissner → told itJ. Andrew Kissner's statement on the 1947 recoveries (1994)
A 2008 crash near Needles involved Nevada Test Site badges and Office of Secure Transportation convoys.Knapp's reporting, 14 May 2020; his sources are unnamed.secondhandunnamed witnesses → George Knapp → told itNational Nuclear Security Administration (NEST, OST, SRT)
A disc and a live being were held at Indian Springs until 1955.EG&G's Al O'Donnell to Knapp.secondhandAl O'DonnellAl O'Donnell → George Knapp → told itEG&G
DTRA holds old AEC files on extraterrestrials.Dylan Borland's account.secondhandDylan BorlandDTRA records officer → Dylan Borland → told itDefense Threat Reduction Agency
The TR-3B was built with a 'Defense Advanced Research Center' and Sandia and Livermore reverse-engineered its field disruptor.Fouché's 1998 account.secondhandunnamed programme contacts → Edgar Fouché → told itSandia National Laboratories
Alleged / one person's word (6)
Material from the 1950 El Indio-Guerrero crash went to Sandia.Eisenhower Briefing Document, whose provenance is contested.anonymousEisenhower Briefing Documentunknown author → Eisenhower Briefing Document → told itSandia National LaboratoriesMajestic 12The Eisenhower Briefing Document (18 November 1952)
AFSWP's Col. Sherman Hasbrouck was involved and three Sandia technicians died.IPU documents, whose provenance is contested.anonymousIPU documentsunknown author → IPU documents → told itThe 'Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit' report (22 July 1947)
DOE's Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence runs a programme under Oak Ridge Y-12 that studies saucer 'skin', possibly with Battelle and MITRE.Gerb's unnamed sources.anonymousunnamed insiders → UAP Gerb → told itDOE Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence (OICI)Battelle Memorial InstituteThe MITRE Corporation
The nuclear agency's NEST, Office of Secure Transportation and Special Response Teams handle crash-retrieval logistics inside the US under the Atomic Energy Act.Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.speculationNational Nuclear Security Administration (NEST, OST, SRT)DOE Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence (OICI)
Federally funded research centres, not contractors, hold custody of the material, which is why the contractor-facing Kona Blue was killed.Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.speculationKona Blue (DHS prospective SAP, 2011)Sandia National Laboratories
Area 6 and Tonopah run DARPA programmes connected to the legacy effort.Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.speculationDefense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)National Nuclear Security Administration (NEST, OST, SRT)