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2026 · The Joe Rogan Experience #2560

Grusch on Rogan: retrievals, beings and the threats

Sourced, unconfirmed
Strength D · 4/10 · 1 independent
Evidence 1/4 · Witnesses 2/3 · Backing 1/3

Mostly secondhand testimony from a named former official, with only the threat episode echoed by another person.

Plausibility Very high
Score 16 · 11 factors for, 1 against

A named intelligence officer whose complaint the Inspector General found credible and urgent, paying a heavy personal price; mostly secondhand, and the claims have widened since 2023.

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Part ofThe legacy program, The price of contact, The squeeze, The undersea program
Joe Rogan Experience #2560: David Grusch (30 September 2026) · The Joe Rogan Experience (PowerfulJRE)
WhenSeptember 30, 2026
WhereThe Joe Rogan Experience #2560
Backing1 independent
Witnesses1 named

In a three-hour Rogan interview, Grusch described a tic-tac retrieval where Americans died, the types of beings and craft in program records, a recent cadaver video he says he has seen, threats against him in early 2022, and an undersea base. Most of it is secondhand through his sources; the viewing of the video, the threats and the Miller remark are firsthand.

Evidence, in date order (1)

  1. Luis Elizondowitness
    has spoken publicly about the same threat episode The Joe Rogan Experience #2560 transcript (Happy Scribe)

How plausible · Very high

A named intelligence officer whose complaint the Inspector General found credible and urgent, paying a heavy personal price; mostly secondhand, and the claims have widened since 2023.

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    Access GS-15 at NGA attached to the UAP Task Force, cleared into program information.
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    Cost of speaking Career ended; threats to him and his wife.
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    Character record Decorated combat veteran; IG found his complaint credible and urgent.
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    Independent convergence Elizondo confirms the threats; dozens of sources gave sworn testimony.
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    Fits the documented skeleton Fits documented contractor access and SAP structures.
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    Fits secrecy practice Compartments, no-bid contractors, liability as motive.
Against
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    Story grew Reptilians and an undersea base are new since 2023.

Plausibility weighs how well an account fits where secrecy hides the documents by design, so missing records never count against it. Strength measures what is documented. Assessed 2026-10-23.

On the record

  • Rep. Burlison's office announced Grusch as a Special Advisor on 27 March 2025; House Ethics approved the hire. He says he left around Labor Day 2026, as planned.Grusch goes public
  • Principal Deputy DNI Aaron Lukas's memo of 31 July 2026 says NDAs no longer bar disclosures to the President or designees such as PURSUE.
  • The Department of War's waiver of 14 September 2026 covers NDAs and SAP agreements only for communications to the PURSUE team, not Congress, the press or the public.

Claims

A tic-tac was brought down in a fight between non-human groups, with dead greys outside and surviving reptilians inside; US personnel were hurt and killed and US forces killed the reptilians.AAWSAP / AATIPsecondhandSourced, unconfirmedDavid Grusch
Being types: tall human-like beings (boomerang or crescent craft), greys in at least three sizes, and reptilians 7 ft or taller (tic-tacs); at least 12 to 24 crashes came from fights between groups.secondhandSourced, unconfirmedDavid Grusch
He has seen a recent, clear video of three or four dead human-looking beings with pale bluish-white skin and greyish hair, and checked it for years against other sources.firsthandSourced, unconfirmedDavid Grusch
Where the cadaver video was shot and by whom; that the bodies are preserved and some beings were seen alive, with genetic comparisons done.secondhandSourced, unconfirmedDavid Grusch
In early 2022 he and his wife received coordinated threats.firsthandSourced, unconfirmedDavid Grusch
In a Senate Intelligence SCIF, senior staffers (including staff for Rubio and Warner) told him 'they wanted to kill you'; the plot was considered and stopped.secondhandSourced, unconfirmedDavid Grusch

In The picture

They use the waterAt Shag Harbour police watched a light float on the sea where a line of lights had gone down; the boats found only a patch of foam, and navy divers found nothing. In 1986 the Japanese government research ship Kaiyo Maru held unknown targets on two radars for six hours north of Wake Island, one closing at about Mach 4…
More than one kind of visitorSmall glowing 'little men' at Kelly. Two small figures in white beside a landed craft at Socorro, which Blue Book left unidentified. Human-looking figures waving back from a craft at Boianai. Small black-clad beings with huge eyes at Ariel. A creature at Varginha that local researchers say the Army captured. Three-fi…
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People and organizations

David Grusch personThe Department of War's PURSUE disclosure waiver (14 Sept 2026) documentODNI preliminary guidance on NDAs (31 July 2026) and Burlison's statements document

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