Grusch, Fravor and Graves under oath

Before a packed hearing room, with Reps. Tim Burchett, Anna Paulina Luna, Eric Burlison and Jared Moskowitz leading, David Grusch testified that the U.S. has a decades-long UAP crash-retrieval and reverse-engineering program. Asked if the U.S. has recovered bodies, he said 'biologics came with some of these recoveries' and that they were 'non-human'. He said he knew of people harmed to protect the secret and of funds misused, and offered details only in a closed session. David Fravor described the Tic Tac. Ryan Graves said pilots were seeing UAP 'every day for at least a couple years'.
Evidence, in date order (2)
- 26 Jul 2023David Fravor (former Navy commander)witnessfirsthand sworn account of the Tic Tac Tic Tac (FLIR1)
- 26 Jul 2023Ryan Graves (former Navy pilot)witnesssworn testimony that pilots saw UAP almost daily Former Navy pilot Ryan Graves testifies on UFOs
How plausible · Very high
Sworn congressional testimony: two naval aviators speak firsthand, and Grusch's program claims, from his sources, are backed by the IG finding and Stratton.
- ●●Access Firsthand pilots and a task-force officer.
- ●●Cost of speaking Sworn testimony, risk of perjury.
- ●●Consistent over time Matches their earlier accounts.
- ●●Restraint Grusch withholds details for a closed session.
- ●●Character record Decorated officers.
- ●●Independent convergence Stratton backs Grusch; Fravor and Graves corroborate encounters.
Plausibility weighs how well an account fits where secrecy hides the documents by design, so missing records never count against it. Strength measures what is documented. Assessed 2026-10-23.
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- Sworn testimony of all three witnesses.
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- House Oversight: UAP hearing (July 26, 2023)
- Hearing transcript (govinfo)
- Former Navy pilot Ryan Graves testifies on UFOs
- Wikipedia: The Age of Disclosure
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