YouTube video · UAP Gerb · 12 September 2025
Sept 2025 House Oversight Committee UFO Hearings Recap
Gerb, Kermit and Rob Jones sat in the room for the September 2025 Hellfire-video hearing and recap it the same week. Beyond the hearing record (Borland's Langley triangle and SAP read-in, Knapp naming Jim Ryder and Glenn Gaffney over the Lockheed transfer, the Thread-3 documents), Gerb adds a few firsthand items: Eric Davis telling him that Hal Puthoff interviewed Brad Sorensen, his knowledge of witnesses who pulled out of earlier hearings, and Rob's secondhand account of how Grusch got onto the UAP Task Force.
Overview
- Named, on record: Borland, Knapp, Wiggins and Nuccetelli at the hearing.
- Firsthand to Gerb: Davis on Puthoff and Sorensen; Greer's witness list.
- Anonymous: witness withdrawals, legacy payroll in Congress, S4.
On the record
- The 9 September 2025 task-force hearing (case/hearing2025).
- Kirkpatrick's post-AARO Oak Ridge post and his firm's MITRE subcontracts for SPACECOM.
Open questions
- Which former members of Congress Gerb means by 'legacy payroll'.
- Whether follow-on footage of the Hellfire strike exists on SIPRNet.
Leads to follow
- The Russian Thread-3 documents (military unit 73790) Knapp entered.
- Puthoff's interview of Sorensen, if any notes exist.
Timeline
On the recordWitness testimonyAlleged / one person's word
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c. 2019-21
Grusch talks his way onto the UAP Task ForceLenval Logan's account, via Rob Jones: a call to an unlisted number, then Grusch in the office ten minutes later.
2023-2024
Firsthand witnesses pull out of the hearingsGerb 'knows for a fact' that witnesses withdrew for fear of reprisals; anonymous to him.'Exposing the Truth' hearing
Dec 2023
Kirkpatrick leaves AARO for Oak RidgeA senior intelligence-programs post, later taken off the lab website; Gerb has heard Oak Ridge stores craft.
2025
Nonlinear Solutions under MITRE for SPACECOMKirkpatrick's LLC takes MITRE subcontracts for US Space Command.
9 Sep 2025
The Hellfire video hearingBorland, Wiggins, Nuccetelli and Knapp before the task force; Gerb in the room about 5 ft behind Borland.
9 Sep 2025
Knapp names Ryder and GaffneyOver the 2009-11 Lockheed-to-OAP transfer; he also brings the Russian Thread-3 documents.Kona Blue (DHS prospective SAP, 2011)
Sep 2025
Davis to Gerb: 'Hal Puthoff interviewed primary witness Brad S.'Said when Gerb showed him a notebook with the Fluxliner on the cover; no follow-up answers.
The claims, checked
On the record (1)
After AARO, Sean Kirkpatrick took a senior intelligence-programs post at Oak Ridge (later removed from its website), and his Nonlinear Solutions LLC took MITRE subcontracts for US Space Command in 2025.analysispublic records (cited by UAP Gerb)Sean KirkpatrickThe MITRE Corporation
Witness testimony (7)
'Hal Puthoff interviewed primary witness Brad S[orensen].'Said to Gerb in person after Davis's interview at the September 2025 hearing; he answered no follow-ups.firsthandBrad SorensenHal Puthoff
Grusch called a UAP Task Force number few people had ('My name's Dave Grusch. I want in'), was in the office ten minutes later without the clearances to reach it, and held more read-ins than Jay Stratton.Told to Rob at a 2025 conference in Huntsville.secondhandRob Jones (co-host)Lenval Logan → Rob Jones → told itLenval LoganDavid GruschThe UAP Task Force
At Langley AFB he saw a black triangle near a NASA hangar with a 'fluid iridescence', optical cloaking and electromagnetic and biological effects.firsthandDylan Borland (hearing testimony, 9 Sep 2025)The Hellfire video hearing
He was read into a multi-agency SAP where he 'brushed up against' the crash-retrieval program; AARO never took his testimony and the ICIG 'only wanted to find out what he knew'.firsthandDylan Borland (hearing testimony, 9 Sep 2025)The Hellfire video hearingAARO
Jim Ryder (Lockheed) and, prompted by Corbell, Glenn Gaffney (CIA DS&T) were the names behind the 2009-11 Lockheed-to-OAP transfer; he also entered the Russian Thread-3 documents (military unit 73790).secondhandunnamed sources → George Knapp → told itThe Hellfire video hearingJim RyderGlenn GaffneyThe Lockheed craft offered to AAWSAP
AARO refused Kyle Warfel's request to amend his statement from 'extraterrestrial' to 'non-human'.secondhandDylan Borland (hearing)Kyle Warfel → Dylan Borland → told itAARO
Greer's congressional submission listed Herrera and Anderson apparently without their consent; Anderson's only intake was a photo with Greer and one email about the Crane division, and another listed witness said 'I've never spoken to that man'.Gerb and Kermit asked the witnesses themselves.firsthandSteven GreerRandy AndersonMichael Herrera
Alleged / one person's word (8)
Firsthand witnesses withdrew from the 2023 and 2024 hearings for fear of reprisals, and the same is happening for 2025.anonymousunnamed would-be witnesses → UAP Gerb → told itGrusch, Fravor and Graves under oath'Exposing the Truth' hearingThe Hellfire video hearing
Some former members of Congress (not Mike Turner) were 'on legacy payroll'; Gerb has passed the names to people who can investigate.anonymousunnamed sources → UAP Gerb → told it
Jim Ryder was a member of the program, not a gatekeeper.speculationJim Ryder
Oak Ridge stores recovered craft.anonymousunnamed sources (rumour) → UAP Gerb → told it
S4 exists; people who say they have been at the site told Gerb so.anonymousunnamed people who say they were at S4 → UAP Gerb → told itArea 51 and S-4 go public
Davis's line that there were few ARV breakthroughs is deliberate program protection.Gerb weighed four readings (a program-protection briefing by Ryder, a narrow read-in, scientist's pride, deliberate protection) and now favours the last.speculationEric W. Davis
The Hellfire was an AGM-114 (not the CIA R9X), and follow-on SIPRNet footage shows the object continuing or reassembling.anonymousRob Jones (co-host)unnamed sources (rumour) → Rob Jones → told itThe Hellfire video hearing
The Tic Tac 'is Lockheed's'; Corbell told Fravor he had been given 'passage material' saying so.Gerb keeps both this and a non-human reading open.anonymousunnamed sources → Ross Coulthart and Jeremy Corbell → told itThe Nimitz 'Tic Tac'