The Lockheed craft offered to AAWSAP

In his memoir Out of the Shadows (October 2026), Jay Stratton says Lockheed executive Jim Ryder told him in early 2009 that Lockheed alone held 12 craft, and wanted to hand one to the Pentagon's AAWSAP program for outside scientists to study: bell or acorn shaped, with no visible controls, seats or power, and "bigger inside than outside". A top CIA gatekeeper refused, "flat, immediate, and final." Eric Davis has named the official as Glenn Gaffney; AARO says the former CIA official denies knowing of it or blocking it. Ryder died in 2018, and Stratton did not see the craft himself. Avi Loeb, responding on air, found it plausible that a contractor could hold a craft for decades and not know what to do with it, and asked holders to bring in outside scientists, which is in effect the offer Ryder made.
Evidence, in date order (1)
- Oct 2026Eric DaviswitnessNamed the CIA official said to have blocked the transfer Jason Colavito review; R. M. McLaren
How plausible · High
A former senior official tells it, Knapp's separate source to Congress confirms an offer of material, and Kona Blue is documented; the named CIA official denies it.
- ●●Access Stratton led the UAP Task Force and dealt with AAWSAP.
- ●●Character record Senior intelligence career.
- ●●Independent convergence Knapp told the House (2025) that "a quantity of unusual material" was offered and the deal not completed.
- ●●Fits the documented skeleton AAWSAP and the Kona Blue proposal are documented.
- ●●Fits secrecy practice A CIA gatekeeper refusing a contractor's transfer.
- ●○Cost of speaking Published under his name.
- −Contradicted by an insider The former CIA official denies it (half weight).
- −Commercial motive Told in a memoir.
Plausibility weighs how well an account fits where secrecy hides the documents by design, so missing records never count against it. Strength measures what is documented. Assessed 2026-10-23.
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Sources
- R. M. McLaren: Jay Stratton says Lockheed had 12 craft
- Jason Colavito: review of Out of the Shadows
- Weaponized: Jay Stratton's first-ever interview (Knapp and Corbell, Oct 2026)
- George Knapp, written testimony to the House Oversight Committee (9 Sep 2025, PDF)
- Reality Check: Inside 'Kona Blue', the alleged Lockheed-to-DHS UFO transfer
- UAP Gerb, 'Discussing Lockheed Martin Project + "Sub Rosa: Organized Secrecy" Ft. Guests Rob Jones & Kermit' (YouTube, 6 October 2025)
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- Mysteries with a History: Cristina Gomez and Jimmy Church live on Jay Stratton's book and media tour
- Mystery Wire: Ask George: the Jellyfish under water, the Lockheed-Bigelow deal and why the secret is kept
- Reality Check: Inside 'Kona Blue', the alleged Lockheed-to-DHS UFO transfer (UAP Gerb)
- UAP Gerb: Philip J. Corso - US Army UFO Technology Research & Development
- UAP Gerb: Sept 2025 House Oversight Committee UFO Hearings Recap
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