YouTube video · UAP Gerb · c. summer 2026
80 Years of UFO Crash Retrieval and Reverse Engineering: A Timeline
UAP Gerb pulls his earlier projects into one timeline of the legacy programmes in three eras: a golden age from 1947 to 1978, a Cold War reorganisation from 1978 to 1994, and a modern era from 1994, with Grusch's 2023 testimony possibly opening a disclosure era. He anchors it on records such as the National Security Act, the Wilbert Smith memo, the Atomic Energy Act, Craven's Sand Dollar account, Inman's 1989 call and the 1995 GAO Roswell report. New material includes Eric Walker's interviews, Sorensen's Fluxliner sighting, an Air Force plan to go public in 2009 to 2012, and Davis's account of Ryder's materials-only programme; the era model and the 1994 'committee of 27' are Gerb's reasoning and unnamed sources.
Timeline
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21 November 1950
Wilbert Smith memoThe subject is more highly classified than the H-bomb; a small group under Bush.
1953
KingmanStansel estimated an impact above 1,000 mph with little damage.
1958
Army Research Office and MITRECorso's golden age of R&D; Gerb's sources say MITRE was formed to exploit Roswell.Army Foreign Technology Division (OCRD, 1960-63)
January 1978
EO 12036Mandatory NSC review of special activities; Gerb says programmes began to scatter.
12 November 1988
Fluxliners at Norton AFBSorensen saw three hovering discs at a closed air show.
1989
Inman's call to OechslerThe US has the hardware; ask Hineman.
1994
SAP oversight restructured; 'committee of 27'SAPOC created (record); Gerb's sources say control moved to a group of 27.Deputy Secretary of Defense memo creating the SAPOC (5 January 1994)
The claims, checked
On the record (4)
The Wilbert Smith memo of November 1950 says the subject is more highly classified than the H-bomb and handled by a small group under Vannevar Bush.Canadian government document; Sarbacher was the source.firsthandWilbert SmithWilbert Smith's Top Secret memo (21 November 1950)Robert SarbacherVannevar Bush
Inman told Oechsler in 1989 that the US has the hardware and to ask Hineman.Oechsler's recorded call.firsthandBobby Ray InmanBob OechslerR. Evan Hineman
GAO found in 1995 that 1947 Roswell base messages were destroyed without proper authority.GAO/NSIAD-95-187.analysisRoswell: the Army's 'flying disc'GAO report on the Roswell records search (GAO/NSIAD-95-187)
SAIC took over the Stargate remote-viewing programme in 1991.Programme record; Grusch links psi to interfacing with craft.analysisSAICStargate is shut down
Witness testimony (10)
Arthur Stansel estimated the Kingman craft hit at over 1,000 mph yet showed little damage.Stansel's own account.firsthandArthur Stansel
In 1965 Craven was shown an inventory of items on the seabed under a programme hidden inside Polaris to recover objects of national-security interest.Craven's own book, The Silent War.secondhandnaval intelligence officer → John Piña Craven → told itThe Silent War: John Pina Craven on Project Sand Dollar (2001)
Eric Walker confirmed his involvement, spoke of MJ-12 and said he was present at Kecksburg in 1965.Interviews with Steinman and Azadehdel, 1987 to 1990; evasive, via Grant Cameron.firsthandKecksburg, Pennsylvania: the fireball and the woods searchMajestic 12
Brad Sorensen saw three hovering discs at a closed Norton AFB air show in November 1988.Gerb says he found a 1990 Aviation Week interview confirming it; still to verify.firsthand
Factions hold extraterrestrial vehicles and teams take them apart and ship them to labs with parts that must be assembled in sequence.Sumner Shapiro to Oechsler.secondhandSumner Shapiro → Bob Oechsler → told it
Several craft were recovered at Roswell and White Sands in 1947 and custody was permanently vested in civilian authorities by a July 1948 order.Kissner's 1994 statement; Gerb has spoken with him and believes him.secondhandunnamed programme participants → Andrew Kissner → told itJ. Andrew Kissner's statement on the 1947 recoveries (1994)Roswell: the Army's 'flying disc'
Ryder's Lockheed programme was materials and metallurgy only, using pieces handed out by a three-letter agency, and engineers were not told their origin.Eric Davis, from Ryder.secondhandJim Ryder → Eric Davis → told itJim RyderLockheed Martin Skunk WorksKona Blue (DHS prospective SAP, 2011)
DHS security staff found the Kona Blue gatekeepers but could not get access because it was still a prospective programme.Puthoff in an interview clip.secondhandDHS security staff → Hal Puthoff → told itKona Blue (DHS prospective SAP, 2011)
Immaculate Constellation is a programme that collects UAP and reproduction-vehicle signatures from imagery and signals feeds.Matthew Brown's report in the November 2024 hearing record; Grusch confirmed.firsthandImmaculate Constellation'Exposing the Truth' hearing
There are 25 to 100 craft held, and more than 40 firsthand witnesses back the claim.Grusch's public statements.firsthandDavid Grusch comes forward
Alleged / one person's word (9)
A caller to Art Bell said he served on a deep-submergence vessel that recovered a triangular craft with glyphs off Aberdeen in the early 1990s.'Mark', unnamed caller; firsthand claim.anonymouscaller 'Mark'caller 'Mark' → Art Bell → told itcase/aberdeen-dsrv-1991
In 1994 control moved from the NSC to a group of 27 drawn from industry and government, out of fear that Clinton would disclose.Gerb's unnamed sources and reasoning.anonymousunnamed insiders → UAP Gerb → told itThe Legacy ProgramSpecial Access Program Oversight Committee (SAPOC) and Senior Review Group
A two-star general in the Hidden Wing planned and then killed a 2009 to 2012 effort to show derived exotic airframes without saying where they came from.Gerb's unnamed sources.anonymousunnamed insiders → UAP Gerb → told it
As recently as 2017, specific funds were misappropriated for joint NRO and Air Force legacy activity.Gerb's unnamed sources.anonymousunnamed insiders → UAP Gerb → told itNational Reconnaissance Office (NRO)United States Air Force
MITRE stopped briefing newcomers on the programme's history, from 2011.Gerb's unnamed sources; Gerb gives both dates, the MITRE episode says 2011. One spoken '2007' in this video is likely a slip for 2011.anonymousunnamed insiders → UAP Gerb → told itThe MITRE Corporation
Radar sites in the Southwest may have caused the 1947 crashes.Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.speculationRoswell: the Army's 'flying disc'
The MJ-12 control group was hidden inside the NSC's covert-action oversight bodies, from NSC 10/2 to the 5412 and 303 Committees.Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.speculationMajestic 12
After the 1978 order on special-activity review, the programmes spread into cover programmes, research centres and Air Force administrative offices.Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.speculation
About 40 to 50 living people can see across all the programme silos.Gerb's own reasoning; not shown by a record.speculationThe Legacy Program